Supply management under the gun – again

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You won't see the supply management supporters here, at least not until some of us with names have commented.

They only come out for what they see as sunny day stories.

Raube Beuerman

400 bucks is a lot of money to most of your customers

That is the difference - Wow. It must have been even closer before the dollar plunged in the past year.

The federal Government in its 2013 spring budget removed the tariffs on Sporting and baby goods to even up price differences with our US counterparts.It meant an almost 80 million in savings for Canadian businesses.
The CBC did a followup a year later and found despite those tariff eliminations the costs for goods such as ice skates had generally stayed the same or in some cases gone up.
The catch is consumers only see savings if retailers pass them on and there seems to be no stipulation for them to do so.Eliminating tariffs in this country only means more profits to the big corporations

I wonder if Mr. Li factored in the use of artificial hormones used in US milk production, but not Canada? Obviously, giving dairy cows a hormone would boost production and lower costs. I prefer no artificial hormones in my dairy.

In a recent column by Ian Cummings in Ontario Farmer magazine, he mentions how the US manufacturer of BST delivered the Canadian supply to a farm in the US, I assume close to the US-Canada border. The Canadian farmer would then come to the US farm, pick up the Canadian supply, and personally import it to Canada. I assume that this Canadian farmer then sold the BST to his fellow Canadian farmers.

While that was a historic comment by Ian Cummings, is it still going on today?

In the real world of supply and demand you would have a choice to purchase milk free of hormone additives......
Please stop using petty excuses to defend an obsolete system that is only servicing a very small minority of millionaires.
I can't get over the fact that many Canadian dairy farms still only average 20 cows per family........and they can still afford robots to do the milking. Unreal.

Average herd size about 70 cows versus US national average herd size of 115.
Robots handle 50 cows each, no one has one for 20 cows!
US dairy farms use mainly Mexican labor-much cheaper than robots!
Less than 5% of farms as small as 20 cows.
Glad I could help!

Well we have been saying this for years ,even when we were dairy farmer here in Ontario we did not agree with price increases ! When I started our milk export business ,JUST ABOUT ALL DAIRY FARMERS WERE CONTRACTING MILK FOR 25.00 A HL AND MAKING MONEY so the ONTARIO GOVERNMENT HAD TO SHUT THAT DOWN FAST ! HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY CHARGING TWICE THE PRICE ,BUT THAT IS SO YOU CAN HAVE QUOTA WORTH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PAID FOR BY THE CANADIAN PEOPLE .THE FACT IS THAT ALOT OF CANADIANS SHOP IN THE U.S.A FOR THERE MILK AND CHICKEN NEEDS,THIS HAS CAUSED A REAL PROBLEM FOR THE HARPER GOV. I think the gov. knows it time to get rid of supply management and it's days are numbered ! BILL DENBY

1. Getting rid of supply management does not mean lower prices for the consumer. Look at the evidence from Australia & New Zealand.
2. Supply Management protects animal welfare.
3. Americans pay in taxes to support their farmers through their "farm bill".
4. Supply Management guarantees a safe quality and steady supply of food/milk for consumers.
5. People who scream about animal welfare and the "evils" of factory farms, then go looking for the cheapest milk and chicken they can find are the worst kind of hypocrites.
Look at all the facts. There's a reason for the $1.10 a day and its not just to enrich "fatcat millionaire" farmers.

No supply management would also mean an increase in herd size and total number of animals as per U.S. ! This would stimulate the demand for feed ingredients which would most likely increase the income of those farmers supplying those feed ingredients. One more reason why we are not all in this S.M. game together.

Without the SM bureaucracy there would be more smaller herds that would form co-operative cheese plants...maybe specialty milk products. Maybe the bottling plant in Wingham would re-open. There are lots of opportunities and entrepreneurs that are being smothered by SM.

You state 5 conclusions and offer only one anecdote to support these conclusions. Is that adequate "proof" for most people? For me, I would like more substantial, objective, unbiased evidence before I am prepared to accept your conclusions.

I will comment on your first assumption, that SM doesn't affect commodity prices. Others can comment on your other points.

I agree that doing away with, or modifying SM will not necessarily lower the price of those commodities in Canada. The world is complex, many factors interact to create the outcome. Not all economists agree why there are "sticky prices" (also called nominal rigidity, market inertia, or market friction).

Flexible pricing is the opposite of sticky prices. The most flexible pricing occurs when every trading opportunity is priced on a 1-off basis, without regard to any previous trades made.

As I understand it, to get price reductions, there has to be a free market, effective price discovery, without collusion by the major players, it has to be a competitive marketplace, and there needs to be an adequate slope on the price-volume supply curve. Without all of these and more factors, prices tend not to change.

One of the biggest drivers are competitors. If a competitor raises or lowers prices, other suppliers tend to follow the lead. Witness the wave of retail gas price changes that often occur once one gas station bites the bullet.

The second biggest factor is the slope of a supplier's price-volume curve. This means that there must be a significant difference to the total profits of the supplier if they are to go to the work and hassle of optimizing their price vs. volume factors (usually means low overhead cost suppliers are more motivated to change first in a competitive market).

There also must be low thresholds for new people to enter the marketplace. Without this, the veterans get sloppy and complacent over time, become less and less efficient over time, and don't take care of their customer's best interests.

Economists have found that price changes can occur second by second (ie. Chicago Board of Trade commodities), to as long as a 4 year cycle, but the median is around 1 year between price changes. For more info, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominal_rigidity and

To reach equilibrium, it usually take between 3 to 7 time constants to get over 90% of the resulting effect to have occurred.

We must therefore hold off in jumping to conclusions about price effects until 3 to 7 years have passed.

Someone who understands how the world works won't check the status every day on an acorn that they planted by digging it up, and giving up in seven days because nothing seems to have occurred as assumed. It takes longer, you must have patience.

Glenn Black
Small Flock Poultry Farmers of Canada

With all due respect to Al $400 is $400. Low income or not, better in my pocket than someone else's. Ask your self, how may supply management guys are driving around the back roads on expensive trucks and SUVs. LOTS. Let them compete like everyone else and have them get their hand out of my pocket!

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